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Koga zanima tematika 9/11 , za one koji ovo vec nisu vidjeli.
Osim toga ide vikend, pa se ima vremena za pogledati :)

I dio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

II dio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJw97CL2Coc

III dio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJqqtMQ6pkA

Stranica sa zanimljivim linkovima

LOOSECHANGE

Ima naravno i suprotstavljenih misljenja i stavova koje mozete naci na ovim linkovima

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html
http://wtc.nist.gov/

ali imajte na umu da su to stranice sa *.gov domenom, tako da ...:) je stosta jasnije.

I prenosim zanimljiv tekst

Ground Zero illnesses come back to haunt Giuliani

By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor

06/01/07 "Online Journal" -- -- Alas, the man who is billed as 9/11’s hero, America’s sheriff, the man who would be President, is being faced today with thousands of people who worked selflessly at Ground Zero and have become ill, and are now suing the city for health damages. I wrote about their plight in a Dec, 20, 2006, Online Journal article: No money to treat 9/11 workers, $3 billion to fight Iraq?

I quoted the New York Times which said that previously “roughly $40 million that was set aside by the federal government to treat rescue workers, volunteers and firefighters who became ill after helping with the 9/11 cleanup and recovery will run out in months, physicians and federal officials said yesterday.”

The amount necessary to keep care ongoing beyond that was “$256.6 million, including $163.6 million in direct medical expenses for 19,200: $91.2 million for 9,6000 patients with respiratory or digestive disorders, $58 million for 8,000 patients with 9/11 related mental illnesses and $14.4 million for 1,600 patients with musculoskeletal conditions. Medications account for more than half of the treatment cost.”

And now we find out that the major reason for the extent of harmed responders was no less than Hizzoner Rudy Giuliani himself. According to the Times’ Ground Zero Illnesses Clouding Giuliani’s Legacy, “The city ran a generally slipshod, haphazard, uncoordinated, unfocused response to environmental concerns.” This is their quote from David Newman, an industrial hygienist with the New York Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, a labor group.

The Times adds “City officials and a range of medical experts are now convinced that the dust and toxic materials in the air around the site were a menace.” No kidding. Two 500,000-ton Towers were pulverized, vaporized into that mist.

“More than 2,000 New York City firefighters have been treated for serious respiratory problems. Seventy percent of nearly 10,000 recovery workers screened at Mount Sinai Medical Center have trouble breathing. City officials estimate that health care costs related to the air at ground zero have already run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, and no one knows whether other illnesses, like cancers, will emerge.”

Additionally, as of May 24, 2004, the New York Times reports that For the First Time, New York Links a Death to 9/11 Dust. “In a letter made public yesterday [May 24, 2007], [New York City’s Chief Medical Examiner] Dr. [Charles S.] Hirsch said that he was certain ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ that dust from the twin towers contributed to the death of Felicia Dunn-Junes, 42, a civil rights lawyer who was engulfed on Sept 11 as she ran from her office a block away from the trade center. She later developed a serious cough and had trouble breathing, and she died five months after the terrorist attack. Her name will be added to the official list of World Trade Center victims, and the official number of people who died as a result of the attack on the twin towers will be increased to 2,750. . . .”

A mayor out of control

The first Times’ piece tells us that while “the city had a safety plan for workers, it never meaningfully enforced federal requirements that those at the site wear respirators.” It seems Hizzoner was obsessed with getting the job done post haste at any cost. One official from the Army Corps said, “Mr. Giuliani acted like a ‘benevolent dictator.”“ I would strike the benevolent from the dictator. He never let FEMA or the Army Corps take over the clean-up operation.

“The clean-up was expected to last 30 months,” according to the Times, but “the pit was cleared by June 2002, nine months after the attack.” This is not just speed. It’s the elimination of the biggest most important crime scene in American history, a crime itself, committed with a criminal intent by someone who knew better, a former US attorney, Rudy Giuliani. And what possible reason could he have had for that miscarriage of justice? Aside from getting Wall Street’s lights back on, could Giuliani have been aiding and abetting the cover-up of how and who and why the Towers went down?

Of course most of us who are reading more than the Times know it wasn’t two airliners piloted by wild-eyed Muslim terrorists that brought those buildings down. First of all none of the terrorists’ names were on the manifests. And FBI director Robert Mueller, who at first magically produced the terrorists’ names and pix, later said they could not be definitively proven to have been there, at least not like the passport of Mohamed Atta that was found in pristine condition in the massive smoldering ruin of Ground Zero. It is highly probable those planes were piloted by remote control systems that kicked in as the transponders went down.

Secondly, the ten thousand gallons of jet fuel in each plane burned up brightly and swiftly in the open air of the cool September morning. It could not and did not produce the temperatures necessary to melt the redundant steel foundations of the towers. In fact it was the rocking explosions from the very tops, down through, and from the basements of the Towers that brought the towers down. There was no pancaking of floors to slow the towers’ freefall at the speed of gravity. Thus, each massive tower went down some 1,300 feet in about 10 seconds.

Ironically, the South Tower that was hit second went down first, after burning less than half an hour. The North Tower, which was hit first, burned close to an hour and a half, and went down last. And so, could it be that the mayor’s rush to clean up was a cover-up? Did he have some foreknowledge of these strange and bizarre events?

Did Hizzoner want all evidence gone of aerosolized metals, and explosive materials like thermite, that created this carcinogenic mixture of “dust,” more like a gray sky-soup of atomized concrete, iron, plastics, wood, rubber, wire, flesh, blended into particulates, that would settle and calcify in the lungs and other body tissue? The concrete’s 200,000 gallons of water was literally vaporized. Thus, in order to understand the enormity of these explosions, read what Dr. Ed Ward, MD, reports at The Price of Liberty.org concerning The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs- Domestic- WTC- . . .

“The spectrum and percentages of cancer are massive. There are at least 4 classifications of blood-cell cancers: leukemia, lymphoma, Hodgkin’s and myeloma. There are many more classifications of soft tissue cancers. There is brain cancer. There is breast cancer. For most of these there are subclassifications of many different types of specific cancer in each, so far not publicly disclosed. There are huge percentages of respiratory distress and loss of function. Multiple reports of ‘irregular cycles’ (miscarriages?). Most likely there will be several more types of cancer to follow. In particular, responders should be checked for thyroid cancer and function. There has been no noting of birth defects which also needs to be done. There is one thing and only one thing that can cause all these cancers and problems - RADIATION.”

Dr. Ward contends that “the factual evidence indicates that our government is using and has used 3rd or possibly 4th generation hydrogen bombs domestically and internationally. The evidence for international usage is not quite as strong as the domestic usage, but when domestic usage is considered, the international usage seems inescapable. The process of exclusion based on the known facts leaves only one viable option for the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings—a relatively pure hydrogen bomb.” Take a look also at Dr. Ward’s Update on thermal imaging post the WTC event. It’s an eye-opener.

Did Hizzoner have foreknowledge of 9/11?

Perhaps his Hizzoner had no idea of the punch that was to be packed. Yet, somehow he knew to evacuate his headquarters on the 23rd floor of Tower Seven at 9:15 AM. He said that he was told the building was going down. Seven did not go down with the first two towers. But its owner. Lucky Larry Silverstein, had it “pulled” eight hours later by internal demolition, and it went down neatly into its footprint, and Mr. Silverstein made an instant $500 million profit on the original cost of the old Tower 7 versus the new one. As you may know, an internal demolition for a building that size takes weeks to create, not eight hours.

Also, both Giuliani and Silverstein had foreknowledge of the fact that the Twin Trade Towers were asbestos “bombs,” that is they were loaded with the lethal insulating material when they were built in the early 70s. The towers were not permitted to be leveled by internal demolition because they were part of a public trust, The Port of Authority of New York and New Jersey, established by the Rockefeller family. Nevertheless, the towers had to come down by law by about 2007. Unfortunately, they would have had to be disassembled piece by piece at a cost of some $10 billion dollars plus.

Mr. Giuliani knew all this. Mr. Silverstein knew this when he leased the buildings less than two months before 9/11. Perhaps that’s why Silverstein upped the insurance to $3.5 billion, with provision for coverage from “terror attacks.” He later tried to collect for each hit separately, which would have given him more than $7 billion. As of, March 24, 2003, the Times reports on the final settlement in Insurers Agree to Pay Billions at Ground Zero. A second contract, which provided for the double payment had not been fully completed when the acts occurred, and thus triggered the six years of litigation. Yet consider how prescient it was of Mr. Silverstein to ask for it in the first place.

This last Times article also tells us that New York’s Governor Eliot Spitzer brokered the deal for the remaining seven (out of two dozen insurers) who had not already settled. Allianz Global Risks, Travelers Companies, Zurich, Swiss Re, Employers, Insurance, Industrial Risk Insurers and Royal Indemnity, agreed to pay a total of $2 billion dollars. The other insurers had already kicked in $2.55 billion, bringing the total to $4.55 billion, which will be awarded to Silverstein and the Port Authority after millions in litigation were spent.

Of this award, Silverstein will get $1.13 billion for three large office towers (Towers 2, 3, and 4), to be built on Church Street, between Vesey and Liberty Streets, on the east side of the WTC complex. The remaining $870 million will go the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which actually owns the land at ground zero and is the original builder of the WTC. The new money will go towards the building of both the $3 billion Freedom Tower, tallest and of the buildings planned to be built, and Tower 5. The insurance money will cover half of the $9 billion cost of erecting five towers, retail space and conceivably a hotel. Remember, the original down payment made by Silverstein and partners to secure the original 99 year lease of the WTC @ $120 million a year was $125 million. Of this, Silverstein’s silent partner, Lloyd Goldman put up $80 million and Lucky Larry a mere $14 million in the deal. Not a bad deal for Larry.

It is also interesting that Governor Spitzer jumped in to settle the financial morass of 9/11 insurance coverage, while he has completely ignored all the information presented to him several years ago by 9/11 scholars and scientists that prove 9/11 was an inside job. One wonders why he did not apply his formidable talents to cutting through the morass of government disinformation to get to the truth that 9/11 was an inside job, a false flag op, to go at the Muslim world. Could it be that Eliot Spitzer, the ex-lawyer/partner of the Skadden Arps corporate law firm, which was also Larry Silverstein’s firm pre-9/11 firm, as well as Hank Greenberg’s (Chairman of AIG) corporate law firm; could it be that crusader Spitzer might be unwilling to tackle some bad people?

Given these facts, plus the fact that Giuliani knew that FEMA was in town on the night of 9/10/2001, supposedly for a series of terror-hijack drills, as stated in Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson’s Prisonplanet.com article Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11, Rudy might have had a more nefarious reason to work those deadly 24-hour shifts. That reason, as stated earlier, was clearing away evidence for any further investigation of the real perpetrators, high-ranking members of our own government, who have subsequently taken Rudy to their bosom.

Commenting on the Giuliani/Times story abouy the four large construction companies working round the clock, Charles Blaich, in charge of safety for the Fire Department at the time of 9/11 said, “They should have backed off on the night shift, when a very limited amount of work could be done.” But they (Hizzoner) didn’t. It was full steam ahead regardless of the human consequences.

“A conspiracy of purpose”

Also, in that same Times article, Suzanne Mattei, director of the New York office of the Sierra Club and a critic of how the clean up was handled, said, “I would describe it as a conspiracy of purpose. It wasn’t people running around saying, ‘Don’t do this safely.’ But there was a unified attempt to do everything as fast as possible, to get everything up and running as fast as possible. Anything in the way of that just tended to be ignored.”

I, too, would describe Giuliani’s cleanup handling as “a conspiracy of purpose,” perhaps of a much larger conspiracy with a much larger purpose: to be the Pearl Harbor of the New World Order’s hegemonic march to conquer the world, beginning with its attacks on Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq.

Times writer Anthony DePalma also mentions, “Records show that the city was aware of the danger in the ground zero dust from the start. In [a] federal court deposition, Kelly R. McKinney, associate commissioner at the city’s health department in 2001, said the agency issued an advisory on the night of Sept. 11 stating that asbestos in the air made the site hazardous and that everyone should wear masks . . .” Many workers refused, given the super-hyped need for speed. They also complained that the respirators were unwieldy and made it hard for them to speak.

DePalma adds “Violations of federal safety rules abounded, and no one strictly enforced them. OSHA did not play an active role during the rescue phase, which is usually the case in emergency operations.” In another place, he tells us that a Port of Authority of New York and New Jersey official, not authorized to speak for the agency, said “the focus was always on preventing accidents, not protecting workers from the toxic dust.” In other words, speed above safety.

Additional errors in Giuliani judgment

Wayne Barrett, a longtime critic of Giuliani along with fellow writer Dan Collins, condemned Giuliani’s oversight in their revealing 2006 book, Grand Illusion. In an interview, Barrett commented that Giuliani “said all the right things, but did all the wrong things.” Barrett also points to “a five-page memo from Jerry Hauer, who was the head of Emergency Management [under Giuliani]. He [Hauer] wanted it [the command center] to be located in Brooklyn in the Metrotech complex. That happens to be roughly where Mike Bloomberg has since put it . . .” The command center could not be put underground at the WTC. The Hudson River just a few blocks away would have flooded it. Thus, it was shoved 23 stories into the air in Building 7, right next to the Twin Towers, which already had been attacked in 1993. Not smart.

But ignoring facts is a key to Rudy’s modus operandi. It’s no wonder that the Times comments that “The city’s handling of safety issues has been criticized by doctors, unions and occupational safety experts.” Let’s add to the critics Kristen Breitweiser, 9/11 widow, Jersey Girl and former Republican, whose husband perished in the North Tower. She has this to say on her website . . .

“Forgive me, but Giuliani is the person responsible for deciding to locate NYC’s emergency center in the World Trade Center [23rd floor, Building 7]. . . . During the attacks, because the command center was rendered inoperable, NYC had no clear chain of command and no physical command structure in place to coordinate the emergency response. Frankly, the whole reason Giuliani was on television all day and available for interviews was because he was scrambling around the streets trying to set up a command post since the one he had designed and located [against the advice of old friend Police Chief Howard Safer and many others] was paralyzed during the attacks . . .”

Breitweiser adds, “Furthermore, Giuliani is also responsible for giving the FDNY inoperable Motorola radios. This, too, cost hundreds of lives when firemen did not hear the order to evacuate the towers prior to their collapse.” By the way, those radios were still not fixed for years after 9/11. In fact, they hadn’t been fixed since the 1993 first WTC attack, when Giuliani was running for and became mayor.

Obviously, the most damning issue to Rudy at this point is his criminal rushing of the cleanup. Yet, it is part of a consistent pattern of Giuliani behavior, the self-appointed “dictator” more than willing to play an illegal and/or slipshod role in accomplishing unholy business. And this is the man who stands before us today as a candidate for president. In fact, he is the current front-runner among Republican candidates. Woe to those who don’t learn more about him. Examine his personal life, especially philandering through three marriages. Examine his family’s mobster past. Examine his shady post-mayoral business dealings in this recent Washington Post article: In Private Sector, Giuliani Parlayed Fame Into Wealth.

Hopefully, you’ll find out “What Makes Rudy Run.” A relentless if not ruthless will to rule, not patriotism or a concern for the common good. And too reminiscent of the present dictator’s “I am the decider” obsession.

(Jerry Mazza is a freelance writer living in New York. Reach him at gvmaz@verizon.net)

I nesto za opustanje, ako vam od tog nije muka :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_UWtdB5aX0

Komentari

I am disgusted with the

I am disgusted with the topic and the implications. By the way, are you sure, people will be able to understand your text?

Does it even matter given

Does it even matter given it's nothing more than mere conspiraloonery? I'm however puzzled by the motives behind a huge copy-paste without any original input which is in violation of the rules of this blog. Hence the negative vote.

Opinioiuris

Well I thought it would be

Well I thought it would be interesting to read, and I got the text in my mail as you can see it, so I was not able to put it as a link to the site. I am really sorry for those who are not understanding English, and I am not considering quoting of the good text as violation of the rules if it is having purpose. I also believed that our goal here is to inform and learn of each others in the good faith, not being short on temper :))) - besides, I believe that the average visitor of this portal can understand what is written here.
And I must admit your English seems pretty good :)...

Ispricavam se onima koji ne govore engleski, komentar stoji. Tesko je bilo ne podijeliti zanimljiv clanak koji sam dobila u razmjeni, ali prevoditi ga cijelog ??? - onda bih mozda trebala prevesti i sve sto se moze pogledati u ovom video materijalu .
Na moderatoru je neka odluci je li u redu izbaciti zanimljiv tekst samo zato jer nije autorski uradak .
Ja cu se pak ubuduce suzdrzati ikakvog prilaganja gotovog materijala ma kako on meni izgledao zanimljiv u ovakvom maniru da ne bi dolazilo do prigovora.

OK, OK, I was just kidding.

OK, OK, I was just kidding. Everybody speaks (and writes) acceptable English nowadays.
Ono što me užasava jest mogućnost da takva vrsta zavjere bude stvarnost. Orwell je mala beba prema ovim dečkima. A u ovom svijetu živimo. Strašno!

Za one koji ne govore

Za one koji ne govore engleski postoji mogucnost prijevoda cijelih tekstova

http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/tr

Tyche, sve što si DOSADA

Tyche, sve što si DOSADA napisala ovdje na pollitika.com je bilo briljantno !!!

Ali, ovim tekstom sam nemalo iznenađen. Mislim, znam ja da ima popriličan broj ljudi i u Americi i u svijetu koji Busha ne mogu vidjeti nacrtanoga i koji predstavljaju izrazito plodno tlo za ovakve teorije zavjere.

Ali, budimo ozbiljni !?

Daljinski upravljani avioni, čišćenje za "samo" sedam mjeseci kako bi se sakrili "tragovi", "sve je to zato što je u zgradama bilo puno azbesta pa su se riješili dvije muhe jednim udarcem", ...

Stoga te molim odgovor na pitanje : DA LI TI DOISTA VJERUJEŠ DA SU AMERI (BUSH, CIA, MEN IN BLACK, ...) SAMI SRUŠILI TWIN TOWER'S-e ????????????????????

Ja vjerujem, mozda ga nisu

Ja vjerujem, mozda ga nisu sami srusili ali postoje snazni pokazatelji da su itekako bili umijesani.
A da im je to koristilo na vise nacina, te u javnosti opravdalo odlazak u ratove na bliskom istoku - jest.
Sad ti zbroji dva i dva.

To ti je od prilike kak' je

To ti je od prilike kak' je naš Dadek pjeval na Eurosongu: you'll never know, you'll never know ... :)

Gledaj to ovak': koliko su ti, nazovimo ih tako, lobiji teorije zavjere jaki. Meni se ponekad čini da nisu baš zanemarivi. E sad, tko tu koga i zašto, koji je krajnji cilj cijele igre (ne mislim tu na micanje Busha kao izvora svih zala), koji su zapravo good guys a koji bad guys ili su svi skupa mad guys?
To ti ja gledam kao zabavicu solve the riddle :)

LLLOLLLL Prvo jedan meni

LLLOLLLL
Prvo jedan meni drag citat -
"Razumjeti nesto ne znaci poceti misliti na isti nacin, razumjeti ne znaci POSTATI, ne znaci sloziti se s time."

Ono sto moramo u ovom slucaju razumjeti je da postoji i jedna druga Amerika, ona koja ima drukcije stavove od onih sluzbeno prihvacenih i da postoje grupe ljudi koje sasvim ozbiljno vjeruju u ovo sto je u filmu prezentirano - samo za primjer - ovaj materijal je sa reading liste koja kola medu americkim osobljem tu gdje ja zivim.

Dakle meni osobno, politicko zutilo moze biti zanimljivo za citanje/gledanje, ali sama ne vjerujem u teorije zavjere.

S druge strane, tu i tamo ispliva poneka jezovita pricica, poput ove o CIA-inim tajnim zatvorima, a kad cujem ovdje neke stvari iz prve ruke od decki koji su sluzili u Afganistanu - onda se stvarno pitas tko je tu lud .

Ovaj gore post sam napravila kao prvi u nizu postova u kojima kanim izloziti poneke kontroverze s detaljima koji mozda nasoj siroj javnosti nisu toliko poznati. Ovaj post je samo sredstvo - ono sto mene doista zanima su upravo REAKCIJE posjetitelja ovog portala - sto VI OSOBNO MISLITE - i uopce nisam iznenadena da si krenuo s tim pitanjem :)))LLOLLL

Sto se Busha tice - ne mislim da je on osobno kreator americke vanjske ili unutrasnje politike, postoje grupe ljudi koje se time bave, smijesno je i neozbiljno njega kriviti za ista od ovog sto se dogada. Ali cinjenica koja se ne moze osporiti je da su se neki snasli i dobrano zaradili u cijeloj prici.
Da li vjerujem u teorije zavjere - apslolutno ne. Da li mislim da su u ovom materijalu sitni djelici istine koju nikad necemo doznati - mozda.

Da, da, da, .... I mislijo

Da, da, da, ....

I mislijo sam se da je nešto slično ;-). Provokacija !!!!

Ali, poštena provokacija. I nije da se ja ponekad ne zapitam "Pa nisu valjda svi ti ljudi koji vjeruju u te teorije zavjere baš tolike budale" :-))). Ali, mislim da si u pravu kad kažeš da postoje sitni djelići istine koji bacaju novo/drugačije svjetlo na cijelu stvar.

Da li je ekipa iz Al-Qaide to sve sama smislila i organizirala, ili su im pomogli "ljudi iz sjene" (tipa serija "24") to vjerojatno nikad nećemo saznati.

Međutim, ono što sam APSOLUTNO SIGURAN je da recimo G.W. Bush nema ama baš nikakve veze s time. A isto tako i recimo Cheney (koliko god Halliburton zaradio u Iraku !!!) i ostali američki političari.

A ukoliko su se našli Amerikanci spremni da pomognu Al-Qaidi, to me uopće ne bi previše iznenadilo. Amerika je velika zemlja i ima svoj dio budala, kretena i idiota (čak bih rekao i veći nego što je spada po broju stanovnika :-) koji bi bili u stanju to napraviti.

Ali, to je sasvim drugi par rukava u odnosu na optužbe protiv Busha ili vlasnika Twin Towers-a ...

Ja bih odgovorio

Ja bih odgovorio protupitanjem, da li si ti 100% siguran da Bush nije upleten?

Meni već je muka i bojim se

Meni već je muka i bojim se da smo danas svi mi taoci tog događaja.

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