Kako je izabran George W. Bush

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Vidim da je dosta ljudi reagiralo na moj stav da izbor George W. Busha 2000. NIJE bio "sumnjiv", kako je to "eminentni evropski socijaldemokrat" (zvan Esdo ;-) ocijenio u svojih deset grijeha Georga Busha, a na koje grijehe sam se osvrnuo u svom prethodnom dnevniku.

I da vam budem iskren, vidim ja tu puuuuno trkeljanja ... ili, da budem možda malo blaži, elementarnog nepoznavanja činjenica.

Pa vam evo jedan poduži članak iz Economista iz 2000. (pretplatnici Economista članak mogu naći tu - http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_QQRJRD ) u kojem je ta priča detaljno ispričana. Da ustanovimo elementarne činjenice:

The Economist, 14.12.200., OPENING A GAWEL OF WORMS

THIS week’s decision by the Supreme Court is among the most momentous of recent history. It may not have the widespread impact of decisions such as Brown v Board of Education, which struck down segregation in schools. But in addition to deciding this particular presidency, George W. Bush v Albert Gore, Jr could push the nation’s highest court into future election battles, an area it has hitherto avoided. And the case has raised serious doubts about its reasoning, its remedy, and even some of the judicial philosophy that informed its decision.

The court had taken up an appeal by Mr Bush against a ruling made five days earlier by the Florida Supreme Court to order a partial manual recount in the state. In deciding that appeal, the court had three options.

First, the justices could have ruled unambiguously for Mr Bush by striking down the Florida recount on the grounds that it violated Article 2 of the constitution, which defines the separation of powers. It might have argued that the only votes that have traditionally been accepted in Florida are those that are clearly marked and that the Florida Supreme Court’s arrangements to allow other votes to be included were a departure from Florida law and an offence against the Florida legislature.

This was in fact the position taken by three of the court’s conservative jurists—Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. Their view would have raised problems of its own, but would have had the advantage of finality: it would have stopped all recounting without qualification.

Or the court could have taken the second option—a clear-cut ruling for Mr Gore. Using the deference that federal courts traditionally give state courts on matters of state law, the high court could have sent the case back to the Florida Supreme Court with guidance about how it should order the recount to proceed. That is roughly what Justices Stephen Breyer and Ruth Ginsburg argued should be done. It would have prolonged the battle but it would have meant the decision—when it finally came—would have rested with the voters, and with vote counters under instructions from higher courts.

Instead, it did neither of those things. Or, rather, it seemed to do the second while actually doing something much more like the first. Nominally, the court decided, by a seven-to-two majority, to remand the case back to the Florida Supreme Court “for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion”. But what did that mean?

In practice, as the various dissenting opinions made clear, the court by the narrowest possible majority (5:4) held that it meant the Supreme Court of Florida had to establish new voting standards consistent with the “equal protection” clauses of the constitution; it had to have the votes counted; it had to allow sufficient time for judicial review of these proceedings; and it had to do all this by midnight, December 12th, 2000, the time when electoral college votes are supposed to be certified. That was just two hours after the US Supreme Court issued its ruling. By remanding the decision to the Florida court with instructions to do something it knew to be impossible, the court ended the election but laid itself open to charges of intellectual dishonesty.

It is possible that no outcome would have commanded universal acceptance. And this convoluted arrangement at least avoided two conclusions that could well have been worse. It meant the court itself did not choose the next president directly. It ruled on a matter of legal process, as is its competence. In addition, the court avoided the nightmare possibility of having a divided Congress choose between competing slates of electors in January.

In fairness to the US Supreme Court, the Florida recount put it in an impossible position. Seven of the nine justices found serious constitutional violations in the manual recount as it was being conducted before they halted it. It had been arranged at the last minute under varying standards for counting ballots—a process that even the dissenting Justice Ginsburg called flawed. The Florida court’s decision flouted the state law that says that manual recounts must include “all ballots”. And it took vote-counting and certifying authority away from local officials, to whom the legislature had given the power, and handed it to the judiciary. The Florida court seemed to be trespassing on the legislature’s prerogative, which violates Article 2 of the constitution. No wonder the US Supreme Court struck it down.

But if the diagnosis was solid enough, the justices’ remedy seemed no better than the one offered in Florida. Both Mr Bush and the court itself could be harmed by it.

Mr Bush has now won the presidency through a messy compromise that essentially says: it was possible to have a fair recount but there is no time for one now. This seems to validate in advance the unofficial recounts of the Florida ballots that will undoubtedly take place under the state’s “sunshine” laws governing freedom of information. These are among the most generous in the country, and several organisations have already applied to take advantage of them. They can now claim, when looking at the ballots, to be doing what the Supreme Court wanted to do but could not.

The most reliable statistical estimates suggest that if there had been an accurate count, Mr Gore might have won Florida by anything up to 20,000 votes. If that estimate is confirmed later, it could seriously harm the sense that Mr Bush has been elected fairly. This can hardly be satisfactory even from Mr Bush’s point of view.

In addition, the court’s ruling could end up damaging itself. In coming to its conclusions, the majority took two stretches of logic that seem to contradict much of what the justices have previously stood for.

The first concerns timing. In ruling that there was no time for a manual recount, the justices laid great stress on the notion that the Florida legislature, when it wrote Florida law, must have intended to take advantage of the so-called “safe harbour” provision, a legal status that ensures Congress will count the votes of presidential electors chosen by certain dates. This year, the dates are December 12th (when election contests are supposed to be over) and the 18th, when the electoral college votes are certified. In addition, the US Supreme Court held that when the Florida court rooted its arguments in state law, it must have accepted what the legislature intended.

There are two problems with this. To begin with, the high court’s ruling seems to set itself up as a better judge of what the Florida legislature intended than the Florida Supreme Court. That is a curious position for justices who have historically bent over backwards to respect states’ rights. In addition, there is little in the Florida court’s ruling to justify the high court’s interpretation. The Florida court mentioned the legislature when justifying its decision according to law. But it did not imply or say that it thought the legislature’s adoption of a “safe harbour” trumped everything else. Indeed, as Justice Breyer suggested, if you were to ask the court whether it would have preferred a recount finished by the 18th to the count existing on the 12th, everything in the Florida’s courts decisions—its stress on the “will of the voters”, its willingness to recount ballots—suggests it would prefer a recount by the 18th.

The court’s second stretch of logic concerns the argument it fashioned when it applied the equal protection clause of the constitution to voting. This is likely to prove extremely controversial. Originally, the equal protection clause provided for equality under the law. That notion has been used to require “one man, one vote”. But to go from there—as the Supreme Court did—to forbid varying standards of vote counting in a statewide election is a stretch.

It does not even look consistent. If the equal protection clause applies to different counting standards why does it not apply to those Gore voters whose ballots have not now been counted? The logic of the court’s position is that you can now make a federal case out of any election dispute involving differences in ballot design, tabulation, or counting. And since America’s election system is highly decentralised, that appears to mean almost any election dispute.

In intruding itself into an area of politics that it has so far tried to avoid, the court stretched the meaning of the equal protection part of the constitution far, far beyond anything that a strict constructionalist would tolerate. Yet it was the constructionalists on the court—people who stick closely to the original wording of the constitution—who developed this argument.

In short, the US Supreme Court has rejected the ballots of some voters, stretched arguments in such a way as almost to make new law and has arguably shown disrespect to the legislative branch by imposing its own interpretation of what the Florida legislature wanted. It has done exactly what it overruled the Florida state court for doing. That is the cost of bringing an end to the election.

I, da stvari u konačnici stavimo u perspektivu, moja osnovna zamjerka Esdi je bila da je ustanovio kako su "Georga Busha na vlast doveli njegovi politički istomišljenici iz Vrhovnog suda" a što je evidentna laž i razlog zbog kojeg sam taj njegov "grijeh" Georga Busha ocijenio kao "potpuno promašen".

Da izbor Busha na mjesto predsjednika nije bio "normalan" to je beyond doubt ! Ali, ponoviti ću iznova, George Bush tu nije imao ama baš nikakvih "grijeha".

Alas, umjesto akceptiranja te činjenice, većina se odlučila za spominjanje crnaca, zatvorenika, Jeba Busha ...

Pa Vas sad molim da pročitate ovaj članak i kažete što je u njemu krivo.

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英语我们都学习了很多年了,从小学直到现在,但始终觉得我的英语学习没什么突破,所以结合自己的一些学习方面的见解,说几点我认为的学习误区。
  第一误区是把技能学习变成看的懂。我们习惯上把英语学习分解成五项技能,听说读写译。比如说我自己,拿到一本口语教材,翻开几页一看,都看懂了,就认为太简单了,对自己不合适。这里的错误是把看懂代替了会说。看懂不等于会说。口语教材的优劣首先是要看语言是否能学到,是否地道。
  第二误区是把知识当成技能。打个比方,假如你想学驾驶。我给你一本题目叫"驾驶秘籍"的书,把书从头背到底,甚至倒背如流,这时你有了专家级的关于如何驾驶的知识。但是你肯定不会开车。原因是驾驶不是简单的知识问题,它是一项技能。要学会一项技能,核心问题是练,光有书本知识是不行的。目前的中小学生在这方面比较明显。
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  第四个误区是通过汉字记音。关于这个我就不再赘述了,现在的小学生这样做的越来越少了。值得一提的是,现在有人推广通过汉字来记英语发音,如"古帝拜"记good-bye,甚至把这种做法作为成果出版请奖。愚昧啊。
  第五个误区是重结果不重过程。应试教育是重结果,带来的后果是整天做模拟题,继续考试,找出什么什么考试的规律。中国的"未来"就这样一代一代被摧残着......如果你了解新加坡的英语教育,那你就会发现中国的教育真是太无知了...... !
  第六个误区是缺乏系统性。现在市场上学英语的材料非常非常多,我觉得这是好事。但如果今天用这个教材、明天换另一个教材,这样学习便失去了系统性。我不是说我们不要换教材,不好的教材,不适合的教材就是要换。好的做法应该是选中一套教材,最好切合你的,以它为主,其余材料都作为补充材料。
以上是我在英语学习和教学中发现的一些误区,希望对大家的英语学习有些帮助。

Kome sad vjerovati?

silverci

Ameri vjeruju svom Vrhovnom

Ameri vjeruju svom Vrhovnom sudu. Vrhovni sud je prema propisanoj proceduri presudio da je na spornim glasačkim mjestima pobjedio Bush.
Gore je to prihvatio, kao i američka javnost i priča je sad gotova. Ne vidim smisao rasprave o tome i silnih teorija urote.

to nije točno predmet

to nije točno
predmet odluke suda uopće nije bio broj glasova nego način brojanja glasova

Moguće, ali ne mjenja

Moguće, ali ne mjenja stvar.Bit je u tome da je sustav odradio priču prema propisanoj proceduri s propisanim tjelima.
A to je bit funkcionirajućeg sustava, postoje procedure i odgovorna tjela, koja su neupitna.
U Keniji, ili Zimbabveu, kad se ne slažu oko broja glasova, dođe do nereda i sukoba, a ponegde i do građanskog rata. To je veličina američkog sustava.

Ta teorija je ne

Ta teorija je ne prihvatljiva jel je ne shvatljiva za zapadni pojam demokracije. :-)))

Time što si proglasio

Time što si proglasio članak iz Economista "trkeljanjem" si sve rekao.

Naravno, puno je teže svoju falšu priču pomiriti s činjenicama i odgovoriti argumentima :-P

Pitanje u svezi glasovanja

Pitanje u svezi glasovanja na Floridi.

Nije li tamo primjenjivana metoda glasovanja putem bušenja rupica na papirnoj traci bez imena pored rupice ? Mislim da li je takva metoda podložna prijevarama (zamjena redosljeda kandidata) ? Čini mi se kako je u nekom tradicionalno "demokratima" opredjeljenom mjestu ispalo kako su glasovali za "desničarski" orjentiranog kandidata, ili sam u krivu ?

Ne znam što bi ti ovo

Ne znam što bi ti ovo trebalo značiti ???

Ili pokušavaš reći da NE ZNAŠ engleski pa mi naglašavaš svoj point time što mi daješ tekst na kineskom (japanskom ?)

Ali, evo već po n-ti put, nikako da od tebe dobijem odgovor što nije točno u ovom članku iz Economista. S obzirom da ti o cijeloj toj priči imaš radikalno drugačiji stav, stvarno bi me zanimalo da mi kažeš što to ti znaš bolje/točnije/preciznije od The Economista o izborima 2000.

Onda, malac ...

Ili ćeš se opet skrivati iza pubertetskih fora !?

Gledaj malac, prebrojavanje

Gledaj malac, prebrojavanje je prekinuto zbog toga što "nije bilo vremena" za prebrojavanje.
To otvara mogućnost da se, nakon ovakve presude, u nekoj budućnosti prebroji samo dio glasova, iz nekog razloga zaustavi prebrojavanje do trenutka kad bude evidentno da "nema vremena" i pobjednikom proglasi onoga tko u tom trenutku ima 1 glas više od prebrojenih, a da većina ne bude niti prebrojena. Ako je to za tebe ogledalo demokracije...

Još se nisi očitovao o tezama s mog linka.

silverci

Naravno, opet kakaš :-).

Naravno, opet kakaš :-). Mislim, u pravu si, ali svejedno "kakaš".

Jer, iako je istina da je osnovni problem na kraju ispalo to da nije bilo vremena za prebrojavanje, netko će primjerice u činjenici da se POŠTOVAO ZAKONSKI ROK (12.12.) za verifikaciju elektorskih glasova naći i određene legalističke pozitivne strane. Pogotovo s obzirom da su prije te odluke višekratno prebrojavali te glasove ...

Ali ne i naš silverci. On će istrkeljati najgluplju moguću ideju kako bi se ta situacija u nekoj budućoj "teoriji urote" mogla iskoristiti i onda će slavodobitno reći "Ako je to za tebe ogledalo demokracije ..." :-)))

Naravno, TI SI POSVE U PRAVU I TO JE DOISTA MOGUĆE (ma u stvari, kurac je moguće - u Zimbabveu možda da ...)

Jedino što je koristiti takav argument u ozbiljnoj diskusiji ono ama baš TOTALNA budalaština.

A što se tiče teza s tvog linka, rado ću se očitovati, ali najprije moram naučiti kineski ... to će malo potrajati.

To da 2000. glasovi nisu

To da 2000. glasovi nisu prebrojeni uopće nije sporno. Kakanje je na djelu kad kažeš ovo:

To otvara mogućnost da se, nakon ovakve presude, u nekoj budućnosti prebroji samo dio glasova, iz nekog razloga zaustavi prebrojavanje do trenutka kad bude evidentno da "nema vremena" i pobjednikom proglasi onoga tko u tom trenutku ima 1 glas više od prebrojenih, a da većina ne bude niti prebrojena. Ako je to za tebe ogledalo demokracije...

Sorry, ali ja to ne mogu kvalificirati nikako drukčije nego "kakanjem".

Jer, u priči o izborima 2000. ti si od spominjanja crnaca i Jeba Busha na kraju došao do ovakve "mogućnosti" !???

"Teorija urote" - di ti pobogu ovdje vidiš teoriju urote ???

Ono što ja vidim jest izuzetno šlampavo odrađen proces izbora, ali koji je IPAK riješen u skladu s LEGALNOM procedurom. Uključujući i poštivanje zadanog roka za određivanje elektora, a koji je u biti bio osnovni problem!

Umjesto da pet puta pročitaš u postu preneseni članak i pokušaš u njemu pronaći rupe i nelogičnosti pa s nečim konkretnim odgovoriti (ili, ako ne ide reći - sorry, izgleda da ipak nisam bio u pravu ;-) ti odgovaraš s ovakvim "mogućnostima" !?

Žali bože potrošenog vrimena na ovu diskusiju ...

Iako je diskusija posve

Iako je diskusija posve neplodna, ipak bi me zanimalo što si točno mislio s ovime:

Ja sam na tvoj linkani tekst odgovorio sa svojim linkanim tekstom. Nisi ga osporio.

Jel tu ima neka poanta koju ja propuštam ili ... ?

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